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Thursday, September 16, 2004
12:53:00 AM MST

Steam Room Classics

 Classics?This is a riff on a subject Shelly brought up on her Presto Speaks! blogs, about whether there should be a distinction made between classics (or literature) and fiction in general. Shelly acknowledges the distinction for purposes of library shelving, but doesn't buy into the idea that respected literary classics of yesteryear are inherently superior to a recent bestseller.  At least, that's my sleep-deprived take on part of what she said.

I agree for the most part, although I find categories reasonably useful for finding books, not as a standard of quality but more by way of, "for those who like that sort of thing, this is the sort of thing they like." Few people are likely to enjoy any and every book in a particular section of a bookstore, but it's helpful if you don't have to wade through a hundred romance titles to get to a fantasy novel or space opera.

Still, I have a different take on the qualitative differences between general fiction and literary classics:

Sometime between Christmas and his birthday, John decided to start reading classics in the steam room as part of his seven-days-a-week workout schedule. I think he wanted to see whether they held up as good books or had been rendered unreadable by the passage of time, and whether there was anything to be learned from them for writing purposes. All this was to be done with paperback editions, because of course the steam room would destroy the books.

I bought him several new copies of such things for his birthday, and he picked up several others used.  The results so far:

Wuthering Heights - John found it terribly dull, with unpleasant characters and an unsatisfactory dramatic structure, considering that nothing much happens and one of the main characters dies halfway through. (This is my memory of what he said two months ago, so please forgive me if I get a detail wrong. I haven't read the book since high school.)

A Hemingway short story collection - John says that most of these were vignettes, not stories. He liked a few of them, and disputed the idea that Hemingway always wrote short, strightforward sentences. Overall, he wasn't terribly impressed.

Tom Jones - John gave up after a couple of chapters, pronouncing it unreadable.

John's currently reading a Moorcock book, which isn't getting his wholehearted approval, either. I've given him a spare copy of a Buffy book to try after that.

The fact that something is an acknowledged classic says something about its historical importance, but not necessarily its quality by today's standards. As the age of the work increases, its readability tends to decrease, due to changes in language, changes in culture, and changes in literary convention. The result is that reading the classics frequently becomes an unpleasant task that's supposed to be good for you, like taking that nasty-tasting medicine. I'm not sure it's always worth the trouble.

Karen



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  • #5 Comment from mavarinEntry Author 
    9/16/04 11:45 AM Permalink
    John's had an annotated edition of Huckleberry Finn next to the bed for years, but hasn't managed to get through it.  Again, not a steam room book. John laughed when I mentioned the manly literature idea ("This isn't a man thing," he said). I mentioned Jack London and Kipling. John said, predictably, "I've never Kipled," but is not against any of these suggestions in principle.  He says that he's happy with the Moorcock for now, and that the small print, prodigious length and archaic language of Tom Jones was just impossible for the steam room, "especially when people in there want to chat." The Hemingway book was good in that respect, because a lot of the pieces in it were fairly short. - K
  • #4 Comment from ryanagi 
    9/16/04 10:44 AM Permalink
    How about Mark Twain? I always loved Huck Finn. Steinbeck is a good suggestion too. I am sure I could think of more...but my son is watching one of his shows and it just seems to suck the ability to concentrate right out of my brain. LOL -B
  • #3 Comment from shellys555 
    9/16/04 7:19 AM Permalink
    Yes, Alphawoman, you'd mentioned your mother is a librarian and I, too, am a Columbia U library school grad.

    Karen, you got the gist of it. And that's an interesting experiment John is running. I think if I tried reading Steinbeck now, I would love him as much as I did when I was a teen and there were classics I hated back then cuz they were dull. I couldn't post the link to the AOL message board with the discussion cuz I riffed on this on non-AOL blogs, but if folks want to look, it's the Character Help discussion on Ask No Editor board in the Fiction Writers Board (keyword Writer brings you to a screen with a Discuss Writing & Publishing link at the upper right. The Fiction area is in that list. Here's what I hope is a direct link to the board:  aol://5863:126/mB:90693 . This is not a place for the faint at heart. I would suggest reading only. Participating requires a very thick or Teflon skin. :)
  • #2 Comment from mavarinEntry Author 
    9/16/04 3:02 AM Permalink
    Oh, Mary, those are great suggestions! John's already tried to tackle Moby Dick twice, but the others are worth a try. I know he likes the Hornblower tv adaptations, maybe he can try one of the novels again.

    And suddenly I'm thinking about Classics Illustrated. Not practical for the steam room, surely! - Karen
  • #1 Comment from alphawoman1 
    9/16/04 2:41 AM Permalink
    Lets see, I like this subject because I am the daughter of a librarian (I think I have communicated to Shelly that her Masters is from Columbia!) and spent lots of time in libraries and bookstores.  The Book Cellar at the Lex Public Library is the best.  Books donated are so deeply discounted ($5 tops for a 2004 publish date) that I find myself waiting for certain books to hit that store rather than purchase retail. (or Sam's Club, but they have really backed off the books since  Sam died).  I love the "Classic" section and try to include a title every now and then.  

    For your husband, maybe some manly books....A. Dumas jumps into my mind so early in the morning.  Moby Dick, Mutiny on the Bounty.....